Exceeding the Duchy limit, Kingdom Titles and when to create or not create titles?

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I've been playing a game a Munster and progressed from 1066 to 1128.

During this time I was not aware of the Duchy limit of 2 and the corresponding penalties of holding more than 2 Duchies can incur. As such I've been creating titles and keeping them to myself.

I've only concentrated on not exceeding my demesne limit.

I created various Duchies while expanding in Ireland and then went on to I create the Kingdom of Ireland itself, and through successful marriages I have inherited the kingdom of Brittany (The title of which I created as soon I could) and I am set to inherit The kingdom of Scotland as well through my Heir.

Then I will have 3 kingdom Titles and Numerous Duchy Titles.

My question or questions are... Should I not have created the Kingdom Title of Brittany? Is there any disadvantage to holding multiple kingdom titles? Will the kingdom of Brittany ever assimilate into the kingdom of Ireland now the title of king of Brittany has been created?

Also what are the benefits and disadvantages of holding so many Duchy titles? Should I have tried to not create them in the first place and should I have destroyed the Titles as I conquered them? Or should I give them up to my vassals?



Best Answer

This situation is sort of discussed here: What's the benefit of destroying titles?

Multiple titles has several pros and cons.

Pros:

  • More prestige (most if you keep them, but also if you hand them out to vassals).
  • If you hand out titles: more powerful vassals - they are more capable of doing stuff themselves. A Duke vassal might be able to carve out new land for himself and you.
  • With more duchies to hand out, you will have fewer vassals to worry about.

Cons:

  • More discontent among your vassals. If you exceed your demense or duchy limit, they will be angry with you.
  • De jure vassals will be discontent if you have more than one primary title. they will "desire" it. An ambitious count will get very, very discontent, if you have a higher level title that he wants. See more here: What determines when the ambition penalty triggers?
  • If you hand out titles, your vassals will become more powerful, and more of a threat to you.
  • Potential succession problems if you have more than one top-level title. The crown laws are separate of eachother, see. Since you created the kingdom, it starts with the same laws as your primary, but it will be tougher to change them. If you are gavelkind, your realm will split, no doubt.

As you can see, it seems having more titles is a very bad idea ... and that is often the case. Most of the time, you will only want one top-level title – at least for Kingdoms and Empires.

However, in some cases, you might want to create or usurp titles, simply to get de jure claims. This is not without problems, though, so make sure you are running a stable operation. People will get discontent when you are hogging all the titles for yourself.

It's also often a good idea to keep your vassals weak, thus reducing the risk of them toppling you. When you have a small realm, it's fine to have a bunch of count vassals. It might not even be a problem if you hold too many duchies or exceed your demense limit. However, as your realm grows, it will get very hard to keep 200 single-holding counts happy. The more duchies you hand out, the less people you will have to keep happy.

If you want your realm to grow, you might also hand out duchies, so they can claim territory outside your realm (hopefully you've set your crown authority to medium or higher). Keep an eye out, though, so they don't get too powerful ...

For huge empires, you might even have several king vassals.

Of course, more duke/king-vassals also means, that once they do revolt against your regime, it will be much harder for you to defeat

In the newer updates, there is also a vassal limit. In this case, you are forced to create duchies (and kingdoms) and distribute power more.




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Should you create duchy titles in ck3?

Yes, create the titles (you'll get prestige) and pass along any that are over your duchy title limit. Originally posted by Instigator: Yes, create the titles (you'll get prestige) and pass along any that are over your duchy title limit.

Should you create duchy titles?

Creating the titles also gives you a lot of prestige (if you have a lot of gold and need prestige). Something to bear in mind if you need prestige for a big war (and calling in allies also uses prestige). Finally, and most importantly, the Duchy buildings are seriously good.

Why should I create titles ck3?

Expand your realm by collecting titles. Titles are the key to your dynasty's expansion in Crusader Kings 3 \u2013 if you own the title you own the land, fair and simple. That doesn't mean other nations won't try and steal your titles, so it's important to understand how they figure in to your empire building plans.

How many duchy titles can you hold ck3?

Characters can hold at most 2 duchy titles without suffering opinion penalties from their vassals (where this rule does not apply to any other ranks). Emperors can own duchy rank vassals without penalties (Unlike emperors cannot have county rank vassals, or kings cannot have county rank vassals, without penalties).



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